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17 Responses to “Bigger Fish to Fry”

  1. Barnabas says:

    Excellent Mike. Not all fish need battering for the chip shop. The previous Archbishop of Canterbury encourage viewing people 3D and not 2D. Seeking to understanding a person’s story with wisdom rather telling them there story through our ignorance, demonstrated by reactive narratives. Meeting people where they are not where you expect them to be. Promiscuity exists in the physical, emotional, rational, spiritual and optional domains. It is, however, in optional domain that the church has chosen to point the finger at one particular set of individuals within one domain. Not everything that fits in a box is a box. We are each unique, it is a disgrace to be herded without compassion. Thanks again Mike.

  2. marble says:

    Thought-provoking, and peace-inciting. I appreciate this gracious view of not having to take on everything, all the time – in ourselves, as well as in the world. To ‘overlook’. . . . That is something to meditate on, indeed.

  3. Peggy Haddad says:

    Yes, Mike. Sometimes it’s not both/and but a third option.

  4. Barnabas says:

    Romans Chapter 2
    God’s Righteous Judgment
    1 Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. 2 We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. 3 Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? (ESV)

  5. Barnabas says:

    For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus. (ESV)

  6. Barnabas says:

    There is difference between judgement ( http://www.peacemaker.net/site/c.aqKFLTOBIpH/b.958151/k.5236/The_Slippery_Slope_of_Conflict.htm ) and discernment. Discernment Is quick to listen and slow to speak. Hasty responses can prove fatal.

  7. Barnabas says:

    Sorry to comment so much, but with such stimulating articles it seems foolish not to celebrate the good day food.

  8. John Andrew says:

    I feel like the lonesome stranger, but I am deeply troubled by some of what the Pope has been saying, including this ‘Who am I to judge’ statement. It seems like it was written by the LGBT leadership itself! It’s frustrating and aggravating, because it makes him seem like a humble, loving, accepting servant, but in reality it is proof that he has made his own judgements. He believes in a big tent – in fact the biggest of any recent Pontiff. Catholicism has for centuries been willing to throw the clear commands of scripture out the window, and to favor the interpretations of what God really meant made by Popes. This Pope seems to be ramping that up to a new level.

    We are commanded to be discerning. We should not condemn those we see sinning, and we have no authority to send them to Hell. So we should not be judgmental. There’s a difference, though. We will be judged in the same way we judge others.

    When we catch someone in a transgression (Galations 6:1) how do we even know it’s a transgression without judging?

    By saying “Who am I to judge?”, the Pope is not only telling us to stop being discerning, but he’s implying that one’s choice of sexual lifestyle is not really something that could condemn a person to eternity without God. And if a single one who listens to him decides that even the Pope says it’s ‘OK to be gay’, his judgement is a bit questionable, wouldn’t you say?

    Our lack of discernment could send someone to eternal separation from God. And, Mike, just what fish could be bigger than that?

  9. Mike Metzger says:

    Dear John:

    Of course the Pope is making some judgments. I agree. I probably could have been clearer is noting that “a time of discernment” does not mean there is no room for judging. The word discernment is in fact synonymous with judgment. I’m simply saying the Pope is indeed judging, just pointing it in a different direction at this time, toward the church.

  10. Gerard Weldele says:

    What I appreciate about the Pope’s statement is the qualifiers: “…and he searches for the Lord…”. Who among us was clean before we found Christ?

    By using the qualifier the Pope has inserted the real conversation: is one searching for the Lord? After one finds the Lord, then sexual orientation can be addressed.

    The second qualifier is equally important: “…and has good will…”. Are they moving in the direction of loving others? What more can one ask?

    By using the qualifiers the Pope is asserting the real standard: love God and love others. The one who does these things will put off the former conduct.

    I read his statement thus: If someone is _______ (fill in the blank with whatever sin ails you) and you are searching for the Lord and have good will towards others, who am I to judge. But if you are not searching for the Lord and you do not have good will, you are condemned already regardless of whatever is filled in the blank.

    The Pope’s statement is a winsome way to take what someone else intended for conflict and uses it to turn the conversation to be about seeking the Lord and loving your neighbor. As Paul commends us: let your speech be seasoned with grace.

  11. Bobby says:

    Note: God does not close his books on Friday! He never tolerates sin forever and there is always a price to pay for disobedience, someday!

  12. Jan Strutz says:

    I’ve been saddened by the “church’s” judgement of select sins. Jesus taught quite clearly that we aren’t to judge others when we ourselves have the same and worse sins within us. The woman caught in adultery was told that no one was left to condemn her and neither did He – but go and sin no more.

    We aren’t to love sin – but love the sinner. Gay behavior is judged as sin by God its true. But so is hot temper and gossip and many other behaviors. Only one sin keeps us from eternity with God. Rejection of God’s Holy Spirit. It’s not sexual behavior or orientation. If you plan to earn your salvation through perfect law following – it would be different. Under grace, however, only rejection of Christ’s gift on the cross is the big fish we need to fry! Discernment is needed to keep us on the right path both for ourselves and our witness. But its not for shouting out condemnation on others when the log in our own eyes are so clearly seen by others.

  13. Barnabas says:

    Wise words Jan.Pondered the same woman’s situ today, along with the woman at the well.

  14. John Andrew says:

    First John is instructive on this. In 1:8 it says that if we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves. Then in 2:4 it says whoever says I know him but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    So how can we love the homosexual sinner without discerning whether what he is doing puts him in danger of the fires of hell?

    Part of my concern with the ‘who am I to judge’ comment is that taking it to heart could lead to the attitude of a kind of depraved indifference. That is certainly sinning also.

    But having said all that, a friend suggested I read This article
    http://tinyurl.com/kygx5uc I did, and it shed a whole new light on the situation. I now realize that another thing I need to be discerning of is whether the press has hyperbolized what they’re reporting on, and whether the comments, even if they are quoted accurately, are taken out of context. That seems to be the case here.

  15. Bobby says:

    It is always interesting to me that those that attempt to make room for Salvation while practicing sin seem to forget that the same Holy Spirit that convicts an individual to bring him/her to Salvation also convicts of Righteousness and Judgement. Likewise there is now way for Salvation to take place unless that Savior becomes Lord of the life and that means Obedience to His commands not our choice of the sins He is going to look over to save us. Salvation can only happen when a person through the leadership of the Holy Spirit convicts an individual of his/her sin. That means all of them, those we like and those we don’t. Until that happens and He becomes Lord there is no Salvation or forgiveness. We do not have the privilege of discerning what sins we are going to keep and still be forgiven the ones we are willing to give up. Jesus Christ demands our all or nothing at all. He is still God and He, not we, sets the rules.

  16. Barnabas says:

    “A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality. I replied with another question: ‘Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?’ We must always consider the person. Here we enter into the mystery of the human being. In life, God accompanies persons, and we must accompany them, starting from their situation. It is necessary to accompany them with mercy.

    Gives further insight on his position.

  17. Alan Hawkins says:

    How could anyone possibly disapprove of a ‘gay’ priest who keeps his vows? And how could anyone approve of priest who breaks his vows in any sexual expression?

    Isn’t obedience to the sexual expression prescribed by scripture the obligation of all who are baptized into Christ?

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