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8 Responses to “The End of Sex? (Part 3)”

  1. Mike Metzger says:

    btw, NYTimes columnist Ross Douthat noted the decline of sex in his op-ed piece yesterday:

  2. Gerard says:

    Thanks for the 3-part journey, Mike.

    I am still debating with myself which parts I agree and don’t agree with, which means regardless of where I land, I will be in a more meaningful place than prior to your columns.

  3. Dave T says:

    Excellent piece, truly excellent. Correct me somehow: I still don’t know how you seem to somehow slam everything about the Enlightenment as bad (IMHO the Enlightenment brought us aspects of modern science and government that Europeans had never experienced under Papal control and fear of the unknown) but I love how you bring out the best in what you’re saying that the church knew pre-enlightenment in terms of touching sexuality without sinning. I wish you were right in general about generally seeing sex thru God’s eyes, but it might be Josh McDowell – a genuine enlightenment product, no? – who opened my eyes as a teenager to see sex as something profoundly human and sacred at the same time and therefore accessible and not just a secret even to saints.

  4. Mike Metzger says:

    Hi Dave T

    If you read past columns, you see I give credit to the Enlightenment for the Scientific Revolution, etc. I don’t “slam everything about the Enlightenment as bad.”

    I too appreciate Josh McDowell’s contributions in this area. He’s a good good man. But as Regnerus’ first book (“Forbidden Fruit”) pointed out, the empirical evidence for changed behavior just isn’t there. Youth who learn about sex via youth programs are slightly more promiscuous than those who don’t darken the door of a church.

  5. Dave T says:

    Okey dokey, I miss lots of columns, so my bad on my blanket read of you and the enlightenment. That could be an interesting study of its own – youth in churches and youth in para-church youth groups. My experience as a youth was the absolutely opposite, as if church youth were dying inside thanks to stale required attendance by parents and all they wanted to do was party hard. Me and my para-church youth group comrades went to churches without being forced or even asked, and we “drove the bus” of sexual fidelity. Churches teaching ANYthing with insight about youth & sexuality? That was not happening where I was.

  6. Mike Metzger says:


    I get what you’re saying. We just have to be careful not to have the anecdotal (your experience) supersede the analytical (i.e., Regnerus’ research).

  7. Josh Glaser says:

    Great stuff, Mike. Thanks for bringing it!

  8. Mike Metzger says:

    Thank you for your encouragement, Josh.

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