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13 Responses to “Living Tissue”

  1. Tim Patterson says:

    How about the idea or concept of salvation? Christ most certainly embodied this “great idea” by his death on the cross, and we must get off our fannies to proclaim it, but it still seems like we preach and live something that is basically an idea or concept. Yes, we do work it out, that is salvation, yet it is still the idea apart from which our actions have little meaning.

  2. Hank says:

    If you want to learn something, teach it.

  3. walter david disney says:

    I KNOW both tactics and medicine from my years in the SEAL Teams. The first step is painful. You must first test your resolve. Then you must learn the trade which takes apprenticeship and employment. Then when you have learned it you must study it so you can teach it…then you know it! It takes time and exercise(read pain).
    Fight the good fight!

  4. Bruce J says:

    Hmmm. I wonder how literally we can take this. Does knowledge really reside in the physical body? Do ideas and learning–love and worship and wonder–adhere to chemicals, molecules, atoms, electrons & leptons? Seems like there’s much more substance to thought than to physical forms, including our bodies.

  5. Kat says:

    I love when the truth hurts! Being a fully developing disciple of Jesus is learning something not just from theory, but action…faith IN action. Saved, not BY works, but FOR GOOD WORKS…it is a privilege to WORK OUT our salvation through the process of becoming more like Christ! THEN, you teach it (2 Cor 1) because we have experienced God fully and are ready to give a good word, based on TRUTH, not THEORY! (Thank you Henry Blackaby) Time for the church/Body of Christ to take it to another level and get moving in love and good deeds – and it will take becoming acquainted with HIS SUFFERING…the analogies live on! THANKS for the Freedom to THINK in 2009!

  6. Byron Borger says:

    Good stuff, Mike. I’m with ya, mostly. Besides my laziness and busyness, it is easier to read a book about discipleship, prayer, Christ, than to do it.

    Still, still. If it were anybody else writing this fascinating column, I’d chide you for anti-intellectualism, discounting the role of ideas in the shaping of cultures, and the very Biblical theme of using our mind, taking every theory captive, having renewed minds, the mind of Christ, loving God with our minds.

    Perhaps I didn’t get all that you meant by that last line “ideas exist only as a function…” Hmmmm. I’d like to say I need to think about that, but don’t want to be an Enlightenment rationalist. Heee, heee.

    Yes, we live into the truth, and our discipleship happens as we embody fidelity. Yet–and you know this, but I figured somebody ought to put it down for the record–there is a call to study, learn, think and do the hard work of theoretical reformation. Calvin Seerveld, renowned reformational philosopher of aesthetics writes about the hard WORK of Christian scholarship. Yet, he is always about embodied discipleship, honoring lived out work and play and worship 24/7. I wonder, then, despite good discernment of the geneology of the idolatry of pure theory, if we should draw the distinction between thinking/doing as starkly as you have here.

    The unacceptabled dichotomy between the two must be tackled, but the wisest direction isn’t to just swing from one pole to the other.

  7. Martin Allan says:

    As the Lord has wired me as an ideas person I certainly agree that unless the many great ideas He has given me become outworked they aren’t worth nothing to nobody. And some of them are very simple but even there I need to link in with others who are able to turn these ideas in to reality because the Lord has blessed them with the skills needed to do so.

    Systems only work when everyone involved agrees & to it & if they are centred around common sense otherwise people don;t waste time on something that doesn’t work practically.

    The fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good & evil wasn’t an apple because how would it be consistent of the Lord to consider us the apple of His eye if it was the fruit that caused us to sin. It was more likely a banana or a nut because that expresses that sin is crazy in the Lord’s sight!

  8. Mike Metzger says:

    Hello Byron! I’m glad that you’re with me, mostly – but I think you have a false dichotomy (plus, I’m not into pole swinging… sounds like you hang out in bars too much!). I didn’t say that only only embodied ideas matter. That would be anti-intellectualism. The correct contrast is not anti-intellectualism, but idealism — even more pointedly Gnosticism. It’s our Hegelian assumption that ideas have consequences – apart from getting traction in culture-shaping institutions. We evangelicals lean more toward talk, the wider world more measures traction. We more into “conversations,” the wider world is looking more for consequential changes. We’re closer to Gnosticism – they’re closer to pragmatism.

  9. Mike Metzger says:

    Byron – sorry about the two times I wrote “only!”

  10. Steve Steddom says:

    I appreciate the idea that knowing is tied to doing. And I completely agree with Polanyi on his concepts of tacit knowing and personal knowledge. But, the shorthand translation that “knowing=doing” from the article seems to move the pendulum beyond center. If you accept the example given in the article that modern classroom education is the antithesis of “doing”, then you really don’t “know” anything from simply having read the words arranged on the screen. For, according to the shorthand translation, “knowing” requires more kinetic energy than that which typically happens in a classroom, namely active listening and perceiving. We are told that faith comes by hearing, which doesn’t necessarily imply “doing” beyond the classroom kinetics denied by the article.

    More accurately, we are able to more fully know through doing. In fact,
    the Bible implores us to work out our salvation. But throwing out
    classic learning methods or implying that what happens in a classroom is not a part of the knowing process is perhaps beyond center.

  11. Mike Metzger says:

    Again, Steve, the difference is not between the classical education, the classroom, and book learning on the one hand and kinetic learning on the other. It is the difference between Enlightenment “idealism” and the Hebrew sense of a truer knowing though mentors and hands on learning.

  12. Mike says:

    Are you sure you’re a Dallas grad.? 🙂

  13. Mike Metzger says:

    Last time I checked…

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